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Episode 64

E64: The Insurgence of AI In Your Business: Understanding the Basics of Using AI in Your Business, the Responsibilities, and the Legal Consequences with Girija Patel

I recently had the honor of interviewing Girija Patel. We had an engaging discussion about the impact of AI on business and intellectual property rights. Here are some key takeaways from our conversation:

  1. The Importance of Disclosure: As AI technology becomes increasingly prevalent in various industries, it's crucial for businesses to be transparent about the extent to which AI is used in their products or services. Whether it's researching, creating prompts, or generating content, disclosing the involvement of AI is necessary to build trust with clients and consumers.
  2. Copyright Protection & AI: Determining copyright ownership of AI-generated content is a complex and evolving area of law. While copyright protection may be obtained for parts of content created by an individual, it's important to disclose any content that is not originally or 100% created by the person claiming authorship. The level of originality and difference between the original and final content are key factors considered in copyright protection.
  3. Human Touch & Expertise: While AI tools like Chat GPT can be powerful and time-saving, they have limitations. AI lacks creativity, emotional intelligence, and the ability to replace humans in jobs that require expertise, context, and human involvement. The human touch is essential for tasks that involve artistic elements, judgment based on body language, and complex decision-making.

Remember, as AI continues to shape our world, understanding its implications for intellectual property rights and business practices is crucial. Let's embrace AI ethically and ensure that transparency and human involvement remain at the forefront. 

Listen to the full episode for more insights!

More About Our Guest:

Girija Patel is a mom, a wife, lawyer, podcaster, strategist, educator, and a business owner in Houston, Texas. Her law practice, GBP Law, specifically focuses on helping entrepreneurs and on-line business owners build their business’ legal fundamentals and integrate legal as a part of their strategy so they can move forward confidently and do what they love! Her goal is to help make legal a line item and not a panic attack! In 2020, Girija launched Your Contract Buddy (www.yourcontractbuddy.com), an online contract template shop, and also founded her podcast, Law Chat with Girija. From her days of being a prosecutor to managing her own law practice and to being the lead legal strategist for your business, Girija’s core value to serve her community remains at the center of all her endeavors.

Connect with Girija Patel:

Connect with Erin and find the resources mentioned in this episode at hourlytoexit.com/podcast.

Erin's LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinaustin/

Think Beyond IP YouTube Page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVztXnDYnZ83oIb-EGX9IGA/videos

Music credit: Yes She Can by Tiny Music

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Transcript
Erin Austin:

Hello, ladies.

Erin Austin:

Welcome to this week's

Erin Austin:

hourly to exit podcast.

Erin Austin:

I am very happy to introduce

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you to my guest this week,

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Girija Patel, who is, I'm

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going to have her introduce

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herself to you, but I'm

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really excited about this

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episode because guess

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what we're talking about?

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Everyone's.

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Favorite topic, AI and

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Georgia has done a lot

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of research in this area.

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written a lot about

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it, spoken to a lot

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of audiences about it.

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So I think we'll get a

Erin Austin:

lot out of this episode.

Erin Austin:

So before I go any further,

Erin Austin:

please introduce yourself.

Erin Austin:

Erin,

Girija Patel:

thank

Girija Patel:

you so much for having

Girija Patel:

me in your podcast.

Girija Patel:

This is really special

Girija Patel:

because I feel like we've

Girija Patel:

gone full circles a few

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times now and I just love it.

Girija Patel:

I love having these

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connections and the continuity

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of the connection as well.

Girija Patel:

I am a lawyer like you,

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but I am in Houston,

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Texas, and we are.

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Experiencing beautiful

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95 degree weather.

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Now, finally, my business,

Girija Patel:

my legal practice, we are

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serving small business

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owners, essentially,

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which means it could be

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anybody, quite frankly.

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And, a lot of creative

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entrepreneurs.

Girija Patel:

I have a lot of tech

Girija Patel:

companies, a lot of

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people who are creating

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content all the time.

Girija Patel:

In fact, in today's

Girija Patel:

world, I think everybody's

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creating content.

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All the time.

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And so I provide a lot

Girija Patel:

of legal support and,

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the strategies and their

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businesses alongside their

Girija Patel:

journey as an entrepreneur.

Erin Austin:

Fantastic.

Erin Austin:

And how did you become,

Erin Austin:

I mean, I guess AI has

Erin Austin:

been thrust upon us as

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opposed to us going to it.

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It has come to us.

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What were your, I mean,

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honestly, it stuck up on me.

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I knew it was out there.

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But, you know, I'm

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kind of a Luddite.

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So I'm like, Oh, what do

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I need to know about it?

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and then suddenly it was

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like, bam, it was everywhere

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and there was no ignoring it.

Erin Austin:

What was your experience with

Erin Austin:

kind of getting into the.

Erin Austin:

AI.

Girija Patel:

I

Girija Patel:

felt the same way.

Girija Patel:

Now.

Girija Patel:

I also felt like a little

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like, Oh, that was a

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real sneak attack from

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the side a little bit.

Girija Patel:

Right?

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It's like, you're just like,

Girija Patel:

where did that come from?

Girija Patel:

I'm like, what field

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did that one come from?

Girija Patel:

but I am in the

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tech space a lot.

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Like I go and talk and like,

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so, you know, there was

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something brewing, but you

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just hear a lot of chatter.

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The ones that really come out

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of nowhere are the ones that

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don't talk, but they just are.

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Throw it out there.

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And that was chat GPT.

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And so when that happened,

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everybody's like, wait

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a second, we have AI now

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we can actually use it.

Girija Patel:

It's at our fingertips because

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it's been around, right.

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It's been around since, so I

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was sitting in another panel

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and they're like, it's been

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around since the seventies,

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if not a little bit longer,

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like the internet was not

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available to the masses until

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much later, the computer.

Girija Patel:

I remember when I first

Girija Patel:

got my first computer, I

Girija Patel:

was like, My dad brought

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our first community in the

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eighties and that too, he

Girija Patel:

had access just because of

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the company and the industry

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that he was working in.

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But I was like, oh, my

Girija Patel:

gosh, that's so cool.

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slowly and steadily.

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Tech just creeps up on you all

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of a sudden it's been around.

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It's literally brewing.

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But we're not paying

Girija Patel:

attention because our

Girija Patel:

minds are just not there.

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so chat GPT did

Girija Patel:

the same thing.

Girija Patel:

It kind of just snuck up

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from around the corner and

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you're like, Oh, now AI is

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accessible to everybody.

Girija Patel:

Meanwhile, we had AI, like our

Girija Patel:

chat bots, on our websites or

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the things that we're using.

Girija Patel:

And, those reforms of AI too,

Girija Patel:

we just didn't call it that.

Girija Patel:

Yeah.

Erin Austin:

I mean, the,

Erin Austin:

Example that you gave of

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suddenly, like, what I can

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do that now, like, that

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literally happened to me.

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I was just filling out some,

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you know, continuing legal

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education credits and it

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was like, what about AI?

Erin Austin:

What the heck?

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frankly, with half an ear

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to it, probably working on

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something at the same time.

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And then, They must've,

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mentioned chat GVT and

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that it's available.

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I'm like, what?

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And I'm like, suddenly I

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was listening and I went

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online and it was during that

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CLE, I'm like, Oh my thing.

Erin Austin:

It's magic.

Erin Austin:

I couldn't even believe it.

Erin Austin:

Yeah.

Erin Austin:

It is

Girija Patel:

magic.

Girija Patel:

It feels too good to be true.

Girija Patel:

And it is

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speaking of

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which, one of the big issues

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with something like this,

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when it sneaks up on us the

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laws don't move nearly as

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fast as technology does.

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And so we, once again, find

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ourselves way behind, you

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know, as we have with social

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media and other, things

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that have kind of exploded.

Erin Austin:

So let's first back

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up, in case anyone.

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Isn't familiar with

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chat and GBT and the

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players in the AI space.

Erin Austin:

Can you just give us a brief

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overview of the types that

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are not, you know, kind of

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the super niche ones, but the

Erin Austin:

ones that affect most of us.

Girija Patel:

Yeah.

Girija Patel:

So in general, like AI,

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artificial intelligence,

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chat, GPT and other.

Girija Patel:

things of the same caliber,

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what are they doing?

Girija Patel:

Essentially, they're literally

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scraping information from

Girija Patel:

whatever codes that I've been

Girija Patel:

put into that software and

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so the developer has told

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this particular software,

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Hey, I want you to scrape

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Y, Z information so that

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X, Y, Z information is your

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finite pool of information.

Girija Patel:

It's not infinite.

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It's not some superhuman

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power that's creating

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this information, right?

Girija Patel:

It is definitely sourced

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from already created.

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Information and whether

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that is publicly available

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or whether that is

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private, it doesn't matter.

Girija Patel:

At the end of the day, that

Girija Patel:

information is generally

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owned by somebody else in the

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back end, and it's not the

Girija Patel:

company that's providing the

Girija Patel:

AI to you for the most part.

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And so, you a lot of the

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scraping is happening, and

Girija Patel:

we talk about chat more

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often than not, because

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that is the 1 that is so

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prevalent and it's free.

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Not paying for it.

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So everybody has access to it.

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But guess what?

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When everyone has access to

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it, that means everybody's

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using the same stuff over and

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over and over and over again.

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And while chat GPT has

Girija Patel:

increased its, scraping,

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boundaries, I guess you

Girija Patel:

could call it that way.

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Meaning, they're going

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throughout the internet.

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So there's a lot more

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stuff that's available.

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There are other tools out

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there that have automatically

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integrated AI into their,

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platforms, like, so, for

Girija Patel:

example, Canva, which is

Girija Patel:

used really vastly by a lot

Girija Patel:

of people in the creative

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industry, not, everyone

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uses Canva, it's not a

Girija Patel:

creative thing, it's like,

Girija Patel:

everybody who knows Canva

Girija Patel:

Oh, my gosh, I'm a graphic

Girija Patel:

designer all of Canva.

Girija Patel:

So Canva also has a lot of AI

Girija Patel:

capabilities in it too now.

Girija Patel:

I mean, Google the other

Girija Patel:

day just popped up.

Girija Patel:

Hey, do you want to

Girija Patel:

use our AI services?

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And I'm like, okay,

Girija Patel:

Google, let's do it.

Girija Patel:

And so that's there too.

Girija Patel:

And, of course, like within.

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Particular industries

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like the legal industry.

Girija Patel:

There's a lot of software

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that's popped up now.

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within the photography

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industry, there's a lot

Girija Patel:

of software that's popped

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up that helps with editing

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or with, calling, every

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industry has their AI.

Girija Patel:

Little aspect and I say

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every industry very loosely

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because there are other

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industries just like the law.

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That's a dinosaur and they are

Girija Patel:

really like slow motion and

Girija Patel:

catching up with everything

Girija Patel:

that's happening and the law.

Girija Patel:

And in that sense, yeah, we

Girija Patel:

have AI tools, but at the same

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time, the law itself has not.

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Reached the whole AI

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situation and today we're

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talking about the U.

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S.

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Law.

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If you go outside globally,

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laws are different.

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Copyright laws, different

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IP laws, different in

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different countries

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I was sitting in

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a CLE recently.

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And, China's copyright

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does not say per se that

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content has to like work

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product, you know, whatever

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you're trying to copyright

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has to be generated by

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human meanwhile in America.

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That's definitely written, but

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in China it's not, although

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they're not like, okay, all

Girija Patel:

AI is can be protected, but

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at the same time, it's not.

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Expressly written either.

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And so it's really

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interesting, you to see the

Girija Patel:

nuances of AI and how they're

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impacting not just the U.

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S.

Girija Patel:

but globally.

Girija Patel:

Also,

Erin Austin:

well, tell

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us what's the difference

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between Google and, I

Erin Austin:

assume reach all corners of

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the Internet from Google.

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Versus why are we so

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much more alarmed by

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than we are by Google?

Erin Austin:

Well, because Google

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is a search

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engine and you put in

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a question or you put

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in a search and it pops

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up different links.

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It pops up information,

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but it's literally

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sourcing from other people.

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And, you know, it, you know,

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the direct link access to it's

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not just a general information

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that they're giving you.

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And.

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They've used the keywords

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and based on the keywords

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that those websites have or

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the SEO that they've done.

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There's a lot of algorithms

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that run behind the scenes

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and the keywords and according

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to those, those things pop up

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or they might just be a paid

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ad sponsored ad and they pop

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up on your list too, right?

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That's that, that's Google.

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So it's a search engine.

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Meanwhile, ChatGPT

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is not that.

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tools like ChatGPT are where

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you are putting in a question

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and it auto generates.

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This paragraph this

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research this thing, but

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the way it answers to you.

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It's not giving you

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any references unless

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you ask for it.

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And it's also just providing

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information in general now.

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So you don't know

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if it's truthful.

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You don't know if

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it's as accurate.

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You don't know if it's

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yours to be used any

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like, can you use it?

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And so there's a lot of

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issues that pop up with that

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also, but truly, it's just

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It dump of information but

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it just has now the software

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and the tools behind it.

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The software is where

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it can quickly get

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everything together and

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generate information.

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And so it's just really

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high powered in that sense.

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And it generates

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information in a smart way.

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Where it's providing you

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like, as if you're talking

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to the computer rather

Girija Patel:

than just a link dump.

Erin Austin:

the

Erin Austin:

fear is that, I mean,

Erin Austin:

basically it takes out.

Erin Austin:

I mean, it's not that

Erin Austin:

it's today say, you know,

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a year ago, pre chat.

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I could go on Google,

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ask, a question about.

Erin Austin:

money, about how to invest

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for retirement and I would

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get a bunch of sites and then

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I, as a human would have to

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kind of put it together, but

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I would still be able to use

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all these other people's work

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that I found on the Internet.

Erin Austin:

And I could take it and

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change it just enough that

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it's not recognizable and

Erin Austin:

not give them attribution.

Erin Austin:

Right?

Erin Austin:

I could do all that before.

Erin Austin:

Except that now with

Erin Austin:

AI, it's kind of doing

Erin Austin:

it instantaneously.

Erin Austin:

And so it just kind of

Erin Austin:

takes the friction out

Erin Austin:

of, I guess, Using other

Erin Austin:

people's materials.

Girija Patel:

Yeah, exactly.

Girija Patel:

And I think that's

Girija Patel:

the thing, right?

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It's just kind of

Girija Patel:

auto dumping for you.

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And then you don't have to

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even put a brain behind it

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in the sense of your mind.

Girija Patel:

And it's just, you

Girija Patel:

could copy paste.

Girija Patel:

Unfortunately, that's

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what's been going on.

Girija Patel:

Right?

Girija Patel:

And so a lot of people are

Girija Patel:

like, oh, the fears that.

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Naturally occurred,

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which everyone was

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like, oh, my gosh, we're

Girija Patel:

gonna lose our jobs.

Girija Patel:

And so, but ultimately,

Girija Patel:

like you said before, the

Girija Patel:

human touches there, right?

Girija Patel:

When you 1st did the Google

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and you can actually discern.

Girija Patel:

Okay.

Girija Patel:

This is good.

Girija Patel:

This is bad.

Girija Patel:

You can actually filter

Girija Patel:

things out using your mind.

Girija Patel:

Your wisdom, your

Girija Patel:

experience that chat GPT

Girija Patel:

does not have, it also

Girija Patel:

doesn't have creativity.

Girija Patel:

It doesn't have that EQ

Girija Patel:

that you have as a human.

Girija Patel:

So therefore it can

Girija Patel:

never replace you.

Girija Patel:

it's also finite, right?

Girija Patel:

Our creativity is not finite

Girija Patel:

unless we make it by night.

Girija Patel:

And I think, those are like

Girija Patel:

a lot of the fears that came

Girija Patel:

out as like losing jobs.

Girija Patel:

There's going to be jobs

Girija Patel:

that are going to be

Girija Patel:

replaced by automation.

Girija Patel:

That's a natural given thing.

Girija Patel:

Cars replaced buggies

Girija Patel:

and horse driven

Girija Patel:

carriages, dishwashers

Girija Patel:

replaced handwashing.

Girija Patel:

so things do happen.

Girija Patel:

And you when the computer

Girija Patel:

came out, it replaced

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a lot of writing.

Girija Patel:

When the emails came

Girija Patel:

out, it replaced a lot of

Girija Patel:

handwriting and letters

Girija Patel:

and stuff like that.

Girija Patel:

And it is what it is.

Girija Patel:

But at the same time,

Girija Patel:

you still need the human

Girija Patel:

touch in order to generate

Girija Patel:

some of the output that

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you need ultimately.

Girija Patel:

So then I truly don't think

Girija Patel:

jobs are going to be taken.

Girija Patel:

I just think more jobs will

Girija Patel:

be created while other jobs

Girija Patel:

might phase out because of

Girija Patel:

automation and the ease,

Girija Patel:

but other jobs will be

Girija Patel:

created simultaneously.

Erin Austin:

I mean,

Erin Austin:

the jobs that required

Erin Austin:

some truly creative or

Erin Austin:

artistic element to that.

Erin Austin:

Won't go away now, if you

Erin Austin:

had a job, or let's say your

Erin Austin:

job was writing headlines.

Erin Austin:

I don't know.

Erin Austin:

And it really wasn't

Erin Austin:

that creative.

Erin Austin:

It's 100 percent possible

Erin Austin:

that that job would go away,

Erin Austin:

but those that require, the

Erin Austin:

application of expertise

Erin Austin:

and context and all those

Erin Austin:

things, all the things

Erin Austin:

you mentioned Absolutely.

Erin Austin:

You know, you know, I

Erin Austin:

can say, like, I can't

Erin Austin:

read the room, right?

Erin Austin:

I can't go like, oh, I don't

Erin Austin:

like her body language.

Erin Austin:

I better, go another

Erin Austin:

direction now, things that

Erin Austin:

are uniquely human and

Erin Austin:

require humans, involvement.

Erin Austin:

So, speaking of the legal

Erin Austin:

issues and being behind,

Erin Austin:

I know that recently there

Erin Austin:

was I think it was just

Erin Austin:

at the initial level,

Erin Austin:

of a, case regarding.

Erin Austin:

Okay.

Erin Austin:

Someone who tried to

Erin Austin:

register a 100 percent AI

Erin Austin:

artwork, and the copyright

Erin Austin:

office rejected it.

Erin Austin:

I mean, they say they're

Erin Austin:

going to appeal it, of course,

Erin Austin:

which I imagine they will.

Erin Austin:

but at this time, if you ask

Erin Austin:

the copyright office, which

Erin Austin:

I have recently, where you

Erin Austin:

say, like, what will you

Erin Austin:

do with something that's, I

Erin Austin:

start with an outline from AI,

Erin Austin:

but then I write around it.

Erin Austin:

and it was like.

Erin Austin:

Well, it depends was

Erin Austin:

the answer that I got.

Erin Austin:

what's going on with that?

Erin Austin:

Where is it going?

Erin Austin:

how do we deal with that?

Girija Patel:

I love it.

Girija Patel:

It depends.

Girija Patel:

It's so funny when someone

Girija Patel:

messaged me a question,

Girija Patel:

like, it depends guys.

Girija Patel:

know, better than I

Girija Patel:

do about the copyright

Girija Patel:

office, but like, with the

Girija Patel:

copyright office, right?

Girija Patel:

You have to disclose how

Girija Patel:

much of it is yours or not.

Girija Patel:

So let's just

Girija Patel:

start with there.

Girija Patel:

Like, if you know, parts

Girija Patel:

of it are a hundred percent

Girija Patel:

created by not you, it

Girija Patel:

doesn't matter if it's AI

Girija Patel:

or not, not you, you got

Girija Patel:

to disclose that anyways.

Girija Patel:

And then the parts

Girija Patel:

that are created a

Girija Patel:

hundred percent by AI.

Girija Patel:

Disclose that too.

Girija Patel:

Now, what, makes up

Girija Patel:

too much or too little?

Girija Patel:

That's still something

Girija Patel:

that they have to

Girija Patel:

figure out, right?

Girija Patel:

What's transformative

Girija Patel:

versus what's just kind of

Girija Patel:

the same, but not really.

Girija Patel:

That's still, they

Girija Patel:

have to figure out.

Girija Patel:

And that's why I think

Girija Patel:

they gave you the, it

Girija Patel:

depends answer, right?

Girija Patel:

But I guess I can to err on

Girija Patel:

the side of caution and just

Girija Patel:

to be, abundantly cautious.

Girija Patel:

I think if you have

Girija Patel:

anything that's a hundred

Girija Patel:

percent generated by AI.

Girija Patel:

Or something else that is

Girija Patel:

not yours that obviously

Girija Patel:

you have to disclose so

Girija Patel:

that you can at least get

Girija Patel:

copyright protected for the

Girija Patel:

parts that you've created.

Girija Patel:

Right?

Girija Patel:

And then, if it's something

Girija Patel:

that in your true mind,

Girija Patel:

you know, that you are

Girija Patel:

really it's not yours.

Girija Patel:

It's not your creative

Girija Patel:

output and it's not 100

Girija Patel:

percent your authorship.

Girija Patel:

And that says where you

Girija Patel:

can claim fame to it.

Girija Patel:

Right.

Girija Patel:

like, in your subconscious,

Girija Patel:

you already know that

Girija Patel:

answer so might as

Girija Patel:

well just work towards

Girija Patel:

that way in that sense.

Girija Patel:

wish I could say, hey,

Girija Patel:

50 percent or more, you

Girija Patel:

know, and I know that it's

Girija Patel:

going to be great, but we

Girija Patel:

can't say that because we

Girija Patel:

don't know the answers.

Girija Patel:

But if, we just go with

Girija Patel:

the rule of law, Currently

Girija Patel:

today, then we just kind of

Girija Patel:

look at that and just use

Girija Patel:

that as our guiding light.

Girija Patel:

Then I think that would

Girija Patel:

kind of go with like,

Girija Patel:

is it transformative or

Girija Patel:

is it a derivative work?

Girija Patel:

Like, you know, it's kind of

Girija Patel:

looking at that is how much of

Girija Patel:

the original are we actually

Girija Patel:

putting in to the final?

Girija Patel:

And if it's substantially the

Girija Patel:

original and no one can really

Girija Patel:

tell the difference, then Hey,

Girija Patel:

you and I both know that's

Girija Patel:

not copyright protected.

Erin Austin:

And the other

Erin Austin:

thing is, you know, with

Erin Austin:

respect to things that we

Erin Austin:

register for copyright, as

Erin Austin:

opposed to things that are

Erin Austin:

automatically, the things

Erin Austin:

we write every day, all the

Erin Austin:

posts, all the newsletters

Erin Austin:

and things like that.

Erin Austin:

I mean, I don't register

Erin Austin:

any of this, kind of stuff,

Erin Austin:

the things that you actually

Erin Austin:

want to register on the

Erin Austin:

assumption that these are

Erin Austin:

the things that are really

Erin Austin:

important in your business.

Erin Austin:

These are kind of, you

Erin Austin:

know, your flagship pieces,

Erin Austin:

your courses, or your books

Erin Austin:

or things like that, that

Erin Austin:

should not be AI generated.

Erin Austin:

Hopefully that stuff is

Erin Austin:

straight from you and.

Erin Austin:

Your experience

Girija Patel:

Okay.

Girija Patel:

Let's talk about

Girija Patel:

that for a second.

Girija Patel:

Oh my gosh.

Girija Patel:

How A lot of my clients are

Girija Patel:

in the online business space.

Girija Patel:

Okay.

Girija Patel:

I love you all, but come on

Girija Patel:

you know, selling a course

Girija Patel:

and now you're generating

Girija Patel:

those courses on AI tools,

Girija Patel:

because that's how people

Girija Patel:

are selling AI these days.

Girija Patel:

Generate this free workshop,

Girija Patel:

generate this, generate

Girija Patel:

this workbook on AI.

Girija Patel:

I'm sorry.

Girija Patel:

I don't know what

Girija Patel:

you're doing, but

Girija Patel:

anybody can get that.

Girija Patel:

I can just do that on myself.

Girija Patel:

Like, your prompts

Girija Patel:

have to be correct.

Girija Patel:

This has to be this.

Girija Patel:

That has to be this.

Girija Patel:

Really?

Girija Patel:

I mean, ultimately

Girija Patel:

that's not partition.

Erin Austin:

I'm curious.

Erin Austin:

Like, what is the content?

Erin Austin:

Like, do you, have

Erin Austin:

you seen any more?

Erin Austin:

I don't know,

Girija Patel:

like, I

Girija Patel:

mean, I'm going to get

Girija Patel:

like a thousand, you

Girija Patel:

ads on my Instagram now,

Girija Patel:

but they'll pop up and

Erin Austin:

say,

Erin Austin:

it's listening.

Erin Austin:

I know that my phone's here,

Girija Patel:

but pops up

Girija Patel:

and say, these different,

Girija Patel:

educators online and

Girija Patel:

there's like, okay,

Girija Patel:

we're going to teach you

Girija Patel:

how to make a course.

Girija Patel:

Lovely.

Girija Patel:

They're going to give

Girija Patel:

you the guidance on

Girija Patel:

how to make a course.

Girija Patel:

Then you have these,

Girija Patel:

software tools out there.

Girija Patel:

You want to create

Girija Patel:

an AI course.

Girija Patel:

We can give you so

Girija Patel:

many different chat GPT

Girija Patel:

prompts on how to create

Girija Patel:

courses for yourself.

Girija Patel:

that's so misleading on so

Girija Patel:

many different levels, and

Girija Patel:

that's just unless they tell

Girija Patel:

you, hey, listen, we can teach

Girija Patel:

you prompts that can guide you

Girija Patel:

to make topics that can guide

Girija Patel:

you to create an outline that

Girija Patel:

can guide you to inspire you.

Girija Patel:

But then truly, at

Girija Patel:

the end of the day,

Girija Patel:

you have to take that.

Girija Patel:

And make it your own

Girija Patel:

in order to protect it

Girija Patel:

for, copyright purposes.

Girija Patel:

That's a whole

Girija Patel:

nother ballgame.

Girija Patel:

don't know either they're

Girija Patel:

misleading in their

Girija Patel:

advertising or they're

Girija Patel:

just giving you the

Girija Patel:

wrong information on

Girija Patel:

the whole thing itself.

Girija Patel:

I'm finding some of

Girija Patel:

these unethical practice.

Girija Patel:

I find them unethical.

Girija Patel:

My opinion, you know, and,

Girija Patel:

when you're unethical in

Girija Patel:

that space, you're also.

Girija Patel:

Violating a lot of other

Girija Patel:

laws that are out there

Girija Patel:

with regards to like, FTC

Girija Patel:

and all these other things.

Girija Patel:

And you just have

Girija Patel:

to be careful.

Girija Patel:

Online marketing needs

Girija Patel:

to really be more careful

Girija Patel:

in what they're doing.

Erin Austin:

Yeah.

Erin Austin:

I'm wondering if I've seen

Erin Austin:

some of these that you

Erin Austin:

mentioned, because I know

Erin Austin:

somehow in my IG feed is

Erin Austin:

something about, writing books

Erin Austin:

and selling, eBooks and for

Erin Austin:

multiple revenue streams.

Erin Austin:

And I'm thinking now, probably

Erin Austin:

they were going to, have

Erin Austin:

some sort of way of using AI

Erin Austin:

to create all these books.

Erin Austin:

I'm guessing.

Girija Patel:

there was a

Girija Patel:

case last year where there

Girija Patel:

are a lot of communities

Girija Patel:

out there, whether you're an

Girija Patel:

author community, on their

Girija Patel:

online communities, other

Girija Patel:

communities, photography

Girija Patel:

communities, so many

Girija Patel:

communities out there, right?

Girija Patel:

since the whole AI thing has

Girija Patel:

become so popular, some people

Girija Patel:

have created AI communities

Girija Patel:

also, where they're sharing

Girija Patel:

a lot of information and that

Girija Patel:

software now this platform is.

Girija Patel:

Generating information based

Girija Patel:

on what the community is

Girija Patel:

feeding into it alongside

Girija Patel:

maybe a lot of other things

Girija Patel:

that they're scraping.

Girija Patel:

And so there's this 1

Girija Patel:

particular community.

Girija Patel:

I forgot the name of it, but

Girija Patel:

there was this case last year

Girija Patel:

that it's graphic novelist.

Girija Patel:

So she's a graphic novelist.

Girija Patel:

That's what she does.

Girija Patel:

She creates comics, right?

Girija Patel:

and so She's part

Girija Patel:

of this graphic

Girija Patel:

novelist, AI community.

Girija Patel:

I forgot her name.

Girija Patel:

Like, I'm so sorry.

Girija Patel:

I forgot all this information,

Girija Patel:

but the funny thing is that

Girija Patel:

it's really comical to me

Girija Patel:

actually because I'm just

Girija Patel:

like, what were you thinking?

Girija Patel:

But, um, she this entire

Girija Patel:

graphic novel based on.

Girija Patel:

AI graphic designing.

Girija Patel:

So she's not even

Girija Patel:

created pictures.

Girija Patel:

Some AI software has created

Girija Patel:

her, graphics and her novel.

Girija Patel:

I mean, okay, the verbiage

Girija Patel:

is all her probably, but

Girija Patel:

the graphics, which is

Girija Patel:

predominantly your book

Girija Patel:

itself is a graphic novel.

Girija Patel:

She's created it through

Girija Patel:

AI and this community

Girija Patel:

also further permits

Girija Patel:

all members to use each

Girija Patel:

other's stuff too, which

Girija Patel:

essentially she, registered

Girija Patel:

for the copyright office.

Girija Patel:

Copyright office said,

Girija Patel:

okay, because she also

Girija Patel:

did not disclose that

Girija Patel:

it's created by AI.

Girija Patel:

And so the copyrights

Girija Patel:

office, said, okay, but

Girija Patel:

within a month, they also

Girija Patel:

have the right to rescind.

Girija Patel:

Their, copywriter,

Girija Patel:

registration that

Girija Patel:

they've done.

Girija Patel:

And so they did.

Girija Patel:

They're like, hello, this

Girija Patel:

is totally generated by ai.

Girija Patel:

It's not generated by you

Girija Patel:

at all, like the graphics,

Girija Patel:

so we cannot, how did,

Erin Austin:

do you

Erin Austin:

know how they found out?

Girija Patel:

I don't

Girija Patel:

actually, I'm not really

Girija Patel:

sure how that happened.

Girija Patel:

which is funny because Right,

Girija Patel:

like a lot of times there's

Girija Patel:

no cross and checking.

Girija Patel:

Yeah.

Girija Patel:

Like, no, none of

Girija Patel:

that is happening.

Girija Patel:

So I'm really not sure

Girija Patel:

how that happened.

Girija Patel:

And, they, they

Girija Patel:

rescinded it and mm-hmm.

Girija Patel:

. Now, of course, you know,

Girija Patel:

there's a whole litany of all

Girija Patel:

these other things happening,

Girija Patel:

but it just goes to the

Girija Patel:

point of first of all, can

Girija Patel:

we, if you're getting into a

Girija Patel:

community or using a software

Girija Patel:

that has AI implementation

Girija Patel:

into it, read the terms

Girija Patel:

and conditions of it.

Girija Patel:

You have to, because you

Girija Patel:

don't know what they're

Girija Patel:

using the information

Girija Patel:

you're inputting for, right?

Girija Patel:

You might think it's yours,

Girija Patel:

but the minute you give it

Girija Patel:

away, it's not yours anymore.

Girija Patel:

And the you said, by

Girija Patel:

the way, everybody in

Girija Patel:

the world can have it.

Girija Patel:

You can't protect

Girija Patel:

that stuff anymore.

Girija Patel:

And so it's undermining

Girija Patel:

the whole process of the

Girija Patel:

copyright registration

Girija Patel:

at that point as well.

Girija Patel:

So read that terms and

Girija Patel:

conditions, please read it.

Girija Patel:

It's important

Girija Patel:

more than anything.

Girija Patel:

It's important these days.

Girija Patel:

Than ever before.

Girija Patel:

also read their privacy policy

Girija Patel:

because ultimately you're

Girija Patel:

going to be almost responsible

Girija Patel:

for whatever this third party

Girija Patel:

might be doing inadvertently.

Girija Patel:

So you need to read it and

Girija Patel:

make sure it aligns with

Girija Patel:

your business practices

Girija Patel:

and your values also,

Girija Patel:

because it's important.

Girija Patel:

And, you just really need

Girija Patel:

to hone into the terms and

Girija Patel:

conditions of these different

Girija Patel:

platforms that you're using.

Erin Austin:

Yeah.

Erin Austin:

Well, that's certainly

Erin Austin:

the reason why.

Erin Austin:

Law firms have been very

Erin Austin:

slow to use AI because they

Erin Austin:

don't know exactly what will

Erin Austin:

happen if I put in something

Erin Austin:

about a client, where does

Erin Austin:

that end up like chat GVT

Erin Austin:

does say, your content does

Erin Austin:

not enter our database,

Erin Austin:

although like, we know that

Erin Austin:

it stores it somehow because

Erin Austin:

we know that it improves on

Erin Austin:

it with each, regeneration.

Erin Austin:

it's combining it.

Erin Austin:

Other sources to

Erin Austin:

make it better.

Erin Austin:

So somehow it's in there

Erin Austin:

somehow, you know, we don't

Erin Austin:

know how exactly, but we

Erin Austin:

know that, it's there and

Erin Austin:

I guess the, the fact that

Erin Austin:

they have populated their

Erin Austin:

databases with, protected

Erin Austin:

materials that they didn't

Erin Austin:

have the authority to use.

Erin Austin:

Like, how do we trust?

Girija Patel:

we are you

Girija Patel:

saying other people's

Girija Patel:

work product that we don't

Girija Patel:

have permission to use

Girija Patel:

and neither do most of

Girija Patel:

these software companies.

Girija Patel:

I highly doubt it.

Girija Patel:

I mean, if anything, if

Girija Patel:

you're within a community,

Girija Patel:

that's a paid community.

Girija Patel:

Maybe maybe they've done it.

Girija Patel:

Who knows?

Girija Patel:

We still have to

Girija Patel:

check the terms and

Girija Patel:

conditions on that 1.

Girija Patel:

And they may not even have it

Girija Patel:

in the terms and conditions

Girija Patel:

of their website or their,

Girija Patel:

membership agreement.

Girija Patel:

That's something you might

Girija Patel:

just have to ask on a side

Girija Patel:

note, because it just may

Girija Patel:

not be relevant to them

Girija Patel:

to share it with you.

Girija Patel:

but that's truly 1 of

Girija Patel:

the biggest things is,

Girija Patel:

inadvertently infringing

Girija Patel:

on someone else's.

Girija Patel:

IP rights, because that's

Girija Patel:

definitely a viable scenario.

Girija Patel:

Another thing that we need

Girija Patel:

to really worry about is the

Girija Patel:

efficacy of the information

Girija Patel:

that we're getting.

Girija Patel:

how true is the sourcing?

Girija Patel:

How true is it?

Girija Patel:

Is it hallucinating?

Girija Patel:

Because chatgbt

Girija Patel:

hallucinates all day long.

Girija Patel:

Yeah.

Erin Austin:

Talk

Erin Austin:

about hallucinations.

Erin Austin:

for those who have

Girija Patel:

hallucinations.

Girija Patel:

Yeah, it definitely has

Girija Patel:

it, you know, and so you

Girija Patel:

have to be careful that the

Girija Patel:

information that you are

Girija Patel:

now gaining is a truthful

Girija Patel:

is there accuracy in it.

Girija Patel:

I know that there's

Girija Patel:

lawyers in the beginning

Girija Patel:

in the chat groups that

Girija Patel:

come up on Facebook with

Girija Patel:

us, it's like, Oh, I use

Girija Patel:

chat TV to do research.

Girija Patel:

And I came up with this

Girija Patel:

crazy case that was totally

Girija Patel:

saying what I wanted to say.

Girija Patel:

But then later on, I

Girija Patel:

realized it didn't exist

Erin Austin:

I had a personal

Erin Austin:

experience where I was

Erin Austin:

working on a contract and it

Erin Austin:

referenced a state law in New

Erin Austin:

York, let's say, and I was

Erin Austin:

going to use it in California.

Erin Austin:

I'm like, well, what, asked

Erin Austin:

chat GPT, what would be

Erin Austin:

an equivalent law under

Erin Austin:

California law to the

Erin Austin:

citation for the New York law?

Erin Austin:

And it just made up.

Erin Austin:

a law I'm like, okay,

Erin Austin:

I get the answer.

Erin Austin:

Then I plug it in just to

Erin Austin:

see, what is this thing?

Erin Austin:

So I can actually read

Erin Austin:

the law and it's like,

Erin Austin:

doesn't exist, you know?

Erin Austin:

You

Girija Patel:

have to

Girija Patel:

double check everything

Girija Patel:

and make sure it's correct.

Girija Patel:

Make sure, because ultimately

Girija Patel:

what's on the line, your

Girija Patel:

credibility is on the line.

Girija Patel:

that's more important to me.

Girija Patel:

Then all the other risk

Girija Patel:

exposure that I'm getting,

Girija Patel:

that's my personal thing,

Girija Patel:

but like, I don't want my

Girija Patel:

credibility to be on the line.

Girija Patel:

I want it to be where I've

Girija Patel:

done the cross checking.

Girija Patel:

I've done the three times

Girija Patel:

on my shores situation.

Girija Patel:

So,

Erin Austin:

Yeah.

Erin Austin:

And you have to be

Erin Austin:

mindful of the use, right?

Erin Austin:

Like if you ask chat, you

Erin Austin:

could probably let people do

Erin Austin:

this, like write 10 social

Erin Austin:

media posts that are just

Erin Austin:

kind of pithy about some posts

Erin Austin:

about copyright, and they do.

Erin Austin:

10 sentences for you to,

Erin Austin:

you know, that's one thing

Erin Austin:

versus again, something

Erin Austin:

that's, really going to

Erin Austin:

be an evergreen piece or

Erin Austin:

something that you're using

Erin Austin:

to show your expertise or

Erin Austin:

something you're going to

Erin Austin:

be presenting to someone,

Erin Austin:

certainly a client deliverable

Erin Austin:

for, you know, don't, don't.

Erin Austin:

Do that, you know, and

Erin Austin:

say, well, let's talk

Erin Austin:

about the deliverables.

Erin Austin:

And, I know I recently

Erin Austin:

had a client who was word.

Erin Austin:

She's a speaker and the,

Erin Austin:

sponsor, took her speech and

Erin Austin:

like, made a transcript from

Erin Austin:

it and then stuck it into chat

Erin Austin:

and then create an article

Erin Austin:

out of it and not off out, and

Erin Austin:

she didn't have anything to

Erin Austin:

prevent them from doing that.

Erin Austin:

And so she was, you know,

Erin Austin:

wanted to revise her speaker

Erin Austin:

agreements to make sure that

Erin Austin:

that didn't happen again.

Erin Austin:

And I know that other people

Erin Austin:

are doing some of the things

Erin Austin:

like, making sure that,

Erin Austin:

deliverables, haven't used for

Erin Austin:

deliverables and certainly

Erin Austin:

it's not new to have to.

Erin Austin:

Give reps and warranties

Erin Austin:

that the deliverables or

Erin Austin:

original things like that.

Erin Austin:

But how are people

Erin Austin:

handling that in the

Erin Austin:

transactional areas?

Erin Austin:

Yeah, same thing.

Girija Patel:

I didn't

Girija Patel:

even think about going to

Girija Patel:

presentation and someone

Girija Patel:

taking that, I absolutely

Girija Patel:

include now the whole AI calls

Girija Patel:

and that's the thing, right?

Girija Patel:

Well, the law hasn't caught up

Girija Patel:

to it like courts and actual,

Girija Patel:

case law or statutory law.

Girija Patel:

But as lawyers, we have to

Girija Patel:

catch up to it a lot quicker.

Girija Patel:

And so we have to include

Girija Patel:

these laws that clauses

Girija Patel:

that never existed before.

Girija Patel:

And now you're creating

Girija Patel:

clauses that you didn't

Girija Patel:

need to create before.

Girija Patel:

And so that's definitely

Girija Patel:

part of my new contracts

Girija Patel:

that are coming out.

Girija Patel:

Even my old ones, I'll revert

Girija Patel:

back to all my clients and

Girija Patel:

say, Hey, listen, Okay.

Girija Patel:

Do you need this?

Girija Patel:

Is this something that

Girija Patel:

we need to put in back

Girija Patel:

into your contracts that

Girija Patel:

we've already created?

Girija Patel:

Because it's truly a

Girija Patel:

fear factor, right?

Girija Patel:

Because A lot of people

Girija Patel:

are doing it without very

Girija Patel:

innocently, actually there's

Girija Patel:

zero malicious intent on this.

Girija Patel:

It's just an innocent.

Girija Patel:

Oh, but it makes

Girija Patel:

our life easier.

Girija Patel:

It makes work easier.

Girija Patel:

We're more productive.

Girija Patel:

And you're looking at all

Girija Patel:

the positive aspects of

Girija Patel:

using AI, which is fine.

Girija Patel:

But if ultimately you are

Girija Patel:

giving something to your

Girija Patel:

client as a business owner,

Girija Patel:

if you're providing a service

Girija Patel:

or product to your client,

Girija Patel:

that they will in turn.

Girija Patel:

Converted into another

Girija Patel:

service and product for their

Girija Patel:

clients, or if they're using

Girija Patel:

for their purposes where

Girija Patel:

they're owning it and they

Girija Patel:

want to use it for their

Girija Patel:

brand or whatever purpose,

Girija Patel:

they're wanting to now claim

Girija Patel:

ownership, intellectual

Girija Patel:

property ownership on it.

Girija Patel:

You have to disclose what

Girija Patel:

you've used and to what

Girija Patel:

extent you've used it,

Girija Patel:

because then that would also

Girija Patel:

directly reflect on ownership.

Girija Patel:

For them, I've used

Girija Patel:

to do research.

Girija Patel:

I've used to create some

Girija Patel:

prompts for your captions, or,

Girija Patel:

you know, whatever the spine,

Girija Patel:

but if you're using it for

Girija Patel:

other purposes, where, You're

Girija Patel:

using it to create their logo.

Girija Patel:

No, you're like,

Girija Patel:

you can't do that.

Girija Patel:

Don't do that.

Girija Patel:

And so like,

Girija Patel:

that's not a thing.

Girija Patel:

Don't create a tagline.

Girija Patel:

Also, please don't

Girija Patel:

do that unless it's

Girija Patel:

like, really unique.

Girija Patel:

You don't even then

Girija Patel:

you don't know.

Girija Patel:

Point is that It needs to be

Girija Patel:

part of your contracts now.

Girija Patel:

And like you said, also with

Girija Patel:

the speaker agreements, you

Girija Patel:

have to, in fact, should

Girija Patel:

just be part of any agreement

Girija Patel:

where there's usage, right?

Girija Patel:

What is usage look like?

Girija Patel:

Can somebody take something

Girija Patel:

just because they're

Girija Patel:

sponsoring me and convert

Girija Patel:

everything that I'm doing and

Girija Patel:

create a derivative out of it?

Girija Patel:

No, maybe, I don't know.

Girija Patel:

It depends on your

Girija Patel:

relationship with them, but

Girija Patel:

that just kind of goes again

Girija Patel:

to the usage aspect of.

Girija Patel:

the intellectual property

Girija Patel:

that you're creating and

Girija Patel:

licensing out to someone else.

Girija Patel:

Yeah.

Erin Austin:

Yeah.

Erin Austin:

And again, like, I mean,

Erin Austin:

there were shades of this

Erin Austin:

in current agreements

Erin Austin:

in your old, whatever is

Erin Austin:

currently out there, in

Erin Austin:

addition to, you know, the

Erin Austin:

originality, requirement,

Erin Austin:

or even, requiring.

Erin Austin:

the client's permission before

Erin Austin:

you incorporate any 3rd party

Erin Austin:

materials, and we might have

Erin Austin:

a traditional sense of it.

Erin Austin:

Well, if I'm going to use

Erin Austin:

some, open source software

Erin Austin:

or something, then I got

Erin Austin:

to disclose order from

Erin Austin:

using something that I'm

Erin Austin:

sub licensing to you.

Erin Austin:

I'm going to disclose it.

Erin Austin:

Well, we also need to be

Erin Austin:

thinking in terms of this.

Erin Austin:

AI material is also not yours.

Erin Austin:

I don't know who it's

Erin Austin:

not, but it's not yours.

Erin Austin:

And there by

Erin Austin:

definition, third party.

Erin Austin:

It's a third party material.

Girija Patel:

it is, and

Girija Patel:

I think a lot of people

Girija Patel:

just don't understand that.

Girija Patel:

Right.

Girija Patel:

it's like the whole misnomer.

Girija Patel:

I go to Google, so

Girija Patel:

because it's public, I

Girija Patel:

can use it, it's fair

Girija Patel:

use or it's on Facebook.

Girija Patel:

And Facebook should, No,

Girija Patel:

my legal rights, because

Girija Patel:

it's public, but it's not

Girija Patel:

Facebook, Google, they're

Girija Patel:

all private companies.

Girija Patel:

They're not a public company,

Girija Patel:

they're not a government

Girija Patel:

company, they can do

Girija Patel:

whatever the heck they want.

Erin Austin:

Confusing

Erin Austin:

public and public domain.

Erin Austin:

I

Girija Patel:

do.

Girija Patel:

Yeah.

Girija Patel:

It's confusing.

Girija Patel:

Right?

Girija Patel:

A lot.

Girija Patel:

Yeah.

Girija Patel:

And so I think it just

Girija Patel:

falls under the real,

Girija Patel:

like innocent factor.

Girija Patel:

And then just.

Girija Patel:

Lack of knowing, right?

Girija Patel:

Ignorance.

Girija Patel:

But ignorance is

Girija Patel:

never a defense.

Girija Patel:

Never, never, never.

Girija Patel:

That is true.

Erin Austin:

for our audience

Erin Austin:

of experts, professional

Erin Austin:

services providers, expertise

Erin Austin:

based business owners,

Erin Austin:

what are the top one or

Erin Austin:

two top, tips you have for

Erin Austin:

them as they navigate AI in

Erin Austin:

and around their business?

Girija Patel:

This will

Girija Patel:

take some time, but I would

Girija Patel:

do, like, an audit on how

Girija Patel:

you want to use AI in your

Girija Patel:

business, meaning look at

Girija Patel:

what you're doing right now.

Girija Patel:

Look at the ways you could

Girija Patel:

actually streamline some work

Girija Patel:

processes, the SOPs into your

Girija Patel:

business and integrate AI

Girija Patel:

into those spaces where they

Girija Patel:

don't really impact products.

Girija Patel:

The output necessarily

Girija Patel:

directly, but it's just

Girija Patel:

facilitating and easing your

Girija Patel:

I've used AI to create emails,

Girija Patel:

just create this email for me

Girija Patel:

and you just want to make sure

Girija Patel:

it sounds like your voice.

Girija Patel:

So there needs to be an audit.

Girija Patel:

And then also alignment,

Girija Patel:

especially have a team of

Girija Patel:

people working for you.

Girija Patel:

You need to make sure that

Girija Patel:

they're all on the same page.

Girija Patel:

Of how they're working

Girija Patel:

for you, whether they're

Girija Patel:

employee or a contractor,

Girija Patel:

because you don't want

Girija Patel:

your team member using AI

Girija Patel:

without your knowledge.

Girija Patel:

And then giving you

Girija Patel:

this amazing stuff.

Girija Patel:

And you're like, wow, what

Girija Patel:

just happened overnight?

Girija Patel:

so there needs to be an

Girija Patel:

understanding of what

Girija Patel:

you have right now.

Girija Patel:

And how I will be integrated

Girija Patel:

into your business.

Girija Patel:

And that needs to be expressed

Girija Patel:

with your team as well.

Girija Patel:

So that way everybody's

Girija Patel:

on board and they know

Girija Patel:

expectations and that notice

Girija Patel:

has been given to them.

Girija Patel:

also I would really

Girija Patel:

urge on the factor of

Girija Patel:

transparency with your

Girija Patel:

clients, transparency with

Girija Patel:

how you're doing business,

Girija Patel:

even within the team itself

Girija Patel:

on how with clients also,

Girija Patel:

this is how I use AI.

Girija Patel:

AI, if you don't use

Girija Patel:

AI, that's great.

Girija Patel:

you have to have transparency

Girija Patel:

with your privacy policies

Girija Patel:

also, and then the

Girija Patel:

terms and conditions.

Girija Patel:

And if there's any part of

Girija Patel:

your AI that you're using

Girija Patel:

service provider, where you

Girija Patel:

are using AI, and, you know,

Girija Patel:

as part of the deliverables,

Girija Patel:

that absolutely needs to be

Girija Patel:

part of the transparency.

Girija Patel:

And it might be a part

Girija Patel:

of your business model.

Girija Patel:

That's okay.

Girija Patel:

Your client

Erin Austin:

needs

Erin Austin:

to know that.

Erin Austin:

Yeah.

Erin Austin:

If it's baked

Erin Austin:

into your pricing.

Erin Austin:

The reason this is such

Erin Austin:

a budget friendly option

Erin Austin:

is because we use some

Erin Austin:

AI generated materials.

Erin Austin:

It's not all, custom

Erin Austin:

made by human.

Erin Austin:

Then that's fine.

Erin Austin:

I mean, there are people

Erin Austin:

who want something

Erin Austin:

at every price point.

Erin Austin:

Right.

Erin Austin:

but don't pretend that

Erin Austin:

it's bespoke when it's.

Girija Patel:

I always

Girija Patel:

as a business owner.

Girija Patel:

I always think it's

Girija Patel:

really important to go

Girija Patel:

back to the value system

Girija Patel:

of your business and the

Girija Patel:

mission of your business.

Girija Patel:

And whenever you're adding

Girija Patel:

something new, whether

Girija Patel:

it's technology or a new

Girija Patel:

business diversity, whatever

Girija Patel:

you're doing, does it

Girija Patel:

align with your mission?

Girija Patel:

Does it align with the

Girija Patel:

values that you have and

Girija Patel:

then move forward with that?

Girija Patel:

And then make sure you

Girija Patel:

are creating transparency

Girija Patel:

amongst your team.

Girija Patel:

Thank you.

Girija Patel:

And your clients on how you're

Girija Patel:

using or what the plan is.

Erin Austin:

And to be clear,

Erin Austin:

like, I'm not demonizing AI or

Erin Austin:

the usage of AI, but because

Erin Austin:

it is, you know, technology

Erin Austin:

is, but it is, yeah, about.

Erin Austin:

The alignment with, how you're

Erin Austin:

presenting yourself and your

Erin Austin:

services and deliverables

Erin Austin:

and what the contract

Erin Austin:

requires, of course, as well.

Girija Patel:

it

Girija Patel:

is here to stay.

Girija Patel:

It's going to come in many

Girija Patel:

different forms and fashions.

Girija Patel:

Chat.

Girija Patel:

It was just literally the

Girija Patel:

1 1st robust version that

Girija Patel:

we're all having access to.

Girija Patel:

There's going to be a lot

Girija Patel:

more stuff coming out.

Girija Patel:

I mean, even with virtual

Girija Patel:

reality and wearing those.

Girija Patel:

Goggles and Google's.

Girija Patel:

Apple's coming out with

Girija Patel:

something new now, with the,

Erin Austin:

virtual reality.

Erin Austin:

So cool.

Girija Patel:

but there's

Girija Patel:

a lot going on, right?

Girija Patel:

There's a lot that can also

Girija Patel:

change the face of businesses

Girija Patel:

too, because everything

Girija Patel:

can become a business

Girija Patel:

thing and nothing is wrong.

Girija Patel:

It's just making sure that you

Girija Patel:

are using in a way that is.

Girija Patel:

That is ethical.

Girija Patel:

That is not, getting into

Girija Patel:

other people's rights or

Girija Patel:

violating someone else's space

Girija Patel:

or privacy or, those aspects.

Girija Patel:

Also,

Erin Austin:

Yeah.

Erin Austin:

violating other people's

Erin Austin:

rights is a little bit tricky

Erin Austin:

simply because we don't

Erin Austin:

know what the source of the

Erin Austin:

AI generated content is.

Erin Austin:

so just taking it as

Erin Austin:

a starting point and

Erin Austin:

then putting your

Erin Austin:

own original spin.

Erin Austin:

Absolutely.

Girija Patel:

Yeah.

Girija Patel:

Because it doesn't tell

Girija Patel:

you it's not like Google.

Girija Patel:

Where it's sourcing and even

Girija Patel:

then, when you go into someone

Girija Patel:

else's website, you don't know

Girija Patel:

where they're sourcing from.

Girija Patel:

That's right.

Erin Austin:

That is so true.

Erin Austin:

There's only so many

Erin Austin:

ideas in the world.

Erin Austin:

Right?

Erin Austin:

And I think

Girija Patel:

I know I

Girija Patel:

miss the encyclopedias.

Girija Patel:

I

Erin Austin:

miss

Erin Austin:

the other day.

Erin Austin:

I wish I could remember

Erin Austin:

the context, but I was

Erin Austin:

thinking, I mean, you know.

Erin Austin:

Like many of our parents

Erin Austin:

had this massive linear

Erin Austin:

feet of encyclopedias in

Erin Austin:

our houses growing up.

Erin Austin:

So yes,

Girija Patel:

one of those

Girija Patel:

encyclopedias at that time

Girija Patel:

were literally is a non

Girija Patel:

refutable source of already

Girija Patel:

like you just feel like

Girija Patel:

you knew it's coming from

Girija Patel:

the right space is not that

Erin Austin:

it's helpful.

Erin Austin:

I like, you know,

Erin Austin:

I like it for my

Girija Patel:

pop culture

Girija Patel:

purposes is really good.

Girija Patel:

It's really cool.

Girija Patel:

But, Wikipedia

Girija Patel:

ultimately can be.

Girija Patel:

From my understanding, it can

Girija Patel:

be just done by, I could put

Erin Austin:

up something.

Erin Austin:

Well, I think you

Erin Austin:

do have to have some

Erin Austin:

qualifications to post.

Erin Austin:

Yeah.

Erin Austin:

I don't think anyone can post

Erin Austin:

on anyone's, but you're right.

Erin Austin:

It's not, All right.

Erin Austin:

So thank you for that.

Erin Austin:

So as we know, this is

Erin Austin:

a very meta podcast for

Erin Austin:

female founders of expertise

Erin Austin:

based businesses who are

Erin Austin:

building them to scale and

Erin Austin:

hopefully sell someday.

Erin Austin:

And so.

Erin Austin:

You as the female founder

Erin Austin:

of an expertise based

Erin Austin:

business, do you have any

Erin Austin:

plans to perhaps sell your

Erin Austin:

business someday or what

Erin Austin:

your next step may be?

Girija Patel:

Yeah, scaling

Girija Patel:

is definitely a part

Girija Patel:

of the plan of action.

Girija Patel:

right now.

Girija Patel:

So I have a subscription

Girija Patel:

legal services that I

Girija Patel:

offer and my goal is to

Girija Patel:

get that into every, like

Girija Patel:

all 50 states, because I

Girija Patel:

want it to be available.

Girija Patel:

And it's not going to

Girija Patel:

be not legal zoom, but

Girija Patel:

it's definitely legal

Girija Patel:

services that are available

Girija Patel:

throughout the 50 states.

Girija Patel:

So that is the plan of action

Girija Patel:

that I'm working towards.

Girija Patel:

And, that's on the legal side.

Girija Patel:

And I have started an

Girija Patel:

educational platform as

Girija Patel:

well for younger kids.

Girija Patel:

And I'm hoping to

Girija Patel:

spread that also.

Girija Patel:

Tell me about that.

Girija Patel:

It's called junior pitch

Girija Patel:

deck and it is essentially

Girija Patel:

like a shark tank, but

Girija Patel:

for middle schoolers.

Girija Patel:

And it's a program where it

Girija Patel:

teaches them the foundation

Girija Patel:

of building a business.

Girija Patel:

so every class you're

Girija Patel:

learning something about

Girija Patel:

either finance or marketing

Girija Patel:

or business planning,

Girija Patel:

ideating and all that stuff.

Girija Patel:

And ultimately you're

Girija Patel:

creating a pitch deck.

Girija Patel:

Which will follow up with a

Girija Patel:

pitch competition at the end.

Girija Patel:

my goal with this project

Girija Patel:

is really a passion project

Girija Patel:

of mine that I'm working on,

Girija Patel:

but I'm looking to spread it

Girija Patel:

into all schools globally.

Girija Patel:

And that is because I want

Girija Patel:

to spark hope in kids.

Girija Patel:

I want to break cycles of

Girija Patel:

not enough or the cycles

Girija Patel:

of I can't do it, or you

Girija Patel:

weren't made for this, or

Girija Patel:

you got the short end, like

Girija Patel:

all that negative stuff.

Girija Patel:

I just want to break those

Girija Patel:

cycles and tell kids that

Girija Patel:

just because you're given

Girija Patel:

this space doesn't mean this

Girija Patel:

is where you belong only.

Girija Patel:

And so why don't we look into

Girija Patel:

ourselves, find our gifts.

Girija Patel:

Find the things that have

Girija Patel:

been given to us naturally

Girija Patel:

and make them better

Girija Patel:

and create something out

Girija Patel:

of it and serve others.

Erin Austin:

That's fantastic.

Erin Austin:

I love that.

Erin Austin:

is that publicly available?

Erin Austin:

Like, is there a

Erin Austin:

Girija Patel:

Erin Austin:

website for that?

Erin Austin:

uh, I am building a

Erin Austin:

website out right now.

Erin Austin:

It's something that I,

Erin Austin:

this is my 4th semester

Erin Austin:

teaching at one of the

Erin Austin:

schools here in Houston.

Erin Austin:

And I love it.

Erin Austin:

It is so fun.

Erin Austin:

Kids are brilliant.

Erin Austin:

Middle schoolers

Erin Austin:

are brilliant.

Erin Austin:

They're absolutely prepared

Erin Austin:

to learn about a balance

Erin Austin:

sheet and all things about

Erin Austin:

marketing and they can share.

Erin Austin:

Also, they can effectively.

Erin Austin:

Communicate about their

Erin Austin:

businesses and brilliant ideas

Erin Austin:

are coming out of these kids.

Erin Austin:

so no, there's no website yet.

Erin Austin:

So once I get that,

Erin Austin:

I'll let you know.

Erin Austin:

I know

Erin Austin:

people will be very

Erin Austin:

interested in that.

Erin Austin:

That's really

Girija Patel:

building

Girija Patel:

process of this.

Girija Patel:

I am in the building

Girija Patel:

process of this.

Girija Patel:

it's definitely a passion

Girija Patel:

project, but truly.

Girija Patel:

know, I really firmly believe

Girija Patel:

on having a value system and

Girija Patel:

companies and businesses and

Girija Patel:

so the first pillar of this

Girija Patel:

entire thing is hope because

Girija Patel:

I want to give hope to kids.

Girija Patel:

I don't want them to be

Girija Patel:

just stuck in the mud

Girija Patel:

and think that this is

Girija Patel:

where we need to be only.

Erin Austin:

That

Erin Austin:

is fantastic.

Erin Austin:

Well, typically I ask my

Erin Austin:

guests, you know, about

Erin Austin:

an organization or person

Erin Austin:

who helps build a more

Erin Austin:

equitable economy, but I

Erin Austin:

think you just explained one.

Erin Austin:

I think that's fantastic.

Erin Austin:

I know it's for profit.

Erin Austin:

I hope it's for but as

Erin Austin:

opposed to a nonprofit,

Erin Austin:

but still, it's something

Erin Austin:

that for people to get the

Erin Austin:

word out and for people to

Erin Austin:

get interested And look for

Erin Austin:

more information about it.

Erin Austin:

So, when you have, yeah, I'd

Erin Austin:

love to be able to share that

Erin Austin:

when you have more details

Girija Patel:

about that.

Girija Patel:

Absolutely.

Girija Patel:

Absolutely.

Girija Patel:

I would love to get.

Girija Patel:

more collaborations

Girija Patel:

done with companies.

Girija Patel:

So kids can actually get,

Girija Patel:

exposure to mentors and

Girija Patel:

people that are outside

Girija Patel:

of their normal circle.

Girija Patel:

you never know when you

Girija Patel:

can spark that hope and

Girija Patel:

some child and, Give them

Girija Patel:

that vision that they never

Girija Patel:

thought they would get before.

Girija Patel:

So we didn't even

Girija Patel:

talk about this.

Girija Patel:

I was talking about a whole

Girija Patel:

nother project called magic

Girija Patel:

bus, which is also amazing.

Girija Patel:

That's not even mine.

Erin Austin:

Well, where

Erin Austin:

can people find you?

Erin Austin:

so people who are interested

Erin Austin:

to find out more and find out

Erin Austin:

more about both your legal

Erin Austin:

practice and this fantastic

Erin Austin:

project you're working

Girija Patel:

on.

Girija Patel:

Yeah, I'm on Instagram

Girija Patel:

all the time, at GBPLaw,

Girija Patel:

as it says right there.

Girija Patel:

And, I'm on Facebook.

Girija Patel:

Uh, you can email

Girija Patel:

me, gbp at gbplaw.

Girija Patel:

com.

Girija Patel:

I'll say hello

Girija Patel:

to you there too.

Girija Patel:

But yeah, I'm available.

Girija Patel:

And LinkedIn also, same thing.

Erin Austin:

Well, it was

Erin Austin:

wonderful to have you.

Erin Austin:

Great conversation.

Erin Austin:

and thanks again

Erin Austin:

joining us today.

Erin Austin:

Thank

Girija Patel:

you so much.

Girija Patel:

I really appreciate it.

Girija Patel:

All right.

Erin Austin:

Thanks guys.

Erin Austin:

See you next time.

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Meet Erin Austin, a Harvard Law alum with over 25 years of copyright and contracts experience. As the go-to advisor for professionals with corporate clients, Erin empowers entrepreneurs to be their own advocates, standing out for her commitment to transforming expertise into empires through the creation, protection and leveraging of intellectual property assets. Explore her blend of legal expertise and entrepreneurial insight on ThinkBeyondIP.com and the "Hourly to Exit" podcast. Off the clock, you'll find Erin in the great outdoors or connecting with business coaches to elevate 6-figure consultants into 7-figure powerhouses.